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Post by layze on Jul 18, 2008 16:06:45 GMT -5
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Post by tinfoilman on Jul 18, 2008 16:11:51 GMT -5
I actually agree with Rydon.
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Post by Water Dumple on Jul 18, 2008 16:12:55 GMT -5
He means the Underwhere, from Super Paper Mario. Anyhow, I do think that you shouldn't be able to get characters back once they're dead, unless it's necessary for your army to be complete (For example, Blue Moon without Olaf wouldn't be Blue Moon). However, not just because it's not realistic. So, I agree with Rydon.
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Post by Merloo on Jul 18, 2008 16:15:39 GMT -5
Oh, never played SPM, so I have no idea what any of the places are called. I just remember someone having it, and it was something like that.
Anyways, reviving makes perfect sense in SPM. In my case I have several contingency plans for my Shaman that help with this, and I'm sure others do to. It's natural that people grow attached to an idea, or to certain characters, and they want to try and keep them around. I see no reason why people should be penalized just because they have interests.
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Post by Water Dumple on Jul 18, 2008 16:18:03 GMT -5
I think it's just irritating that you can't kill an officer/hero without him being back a few weeks later. That's why most of the folks here dislike the idea of revival.
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Post by Merloo on Jul 18, 2008 16:43:20 GMT -5
Nothing is permanent. Even death is merely a change, and as such, is something that can be reversed.
And I think the fact that people can lose one unit, and never regain him/her, thus throwing off their entire theme, and making the entire army/bandit group completely unfun is irritating, more so than someone that comes back from the dead. They still are a regular joe at that point, and why would having the old person come back be worse than having a new person replace him/her?
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Post by Water Dumple on Jul 18, 2008 16:56:07 GMT -5
Nothing is permanent. Even death is merely a change, and as such, is something that can be reversed. And I think the fact that people can lose one unit, and never regain him/her, thus throwing off their entire theme, and making the entire army/bandit group completely unfun is irritating, more so than someone that comes back from the dead. They still are a regular joe at that point, and why would having the old person come back be worse than having a new person replace him/her? Because the new person probably wouldn't be loaded with abilities and equipment. also, what you said at the top doesn't pertain to the game.
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Post by Merloo on Jul 18, 2008 17:06:29 GMT -5
I think it does.
And like I said, those who are revived, start at nothing, unless they had special contingency plans before their death, which makes sense to me. An uploaded copy certainly works to help backup a robot and his personality and unique traits. Extending that to unique robot powers isn't so hard. And with magic, well, it's magic. Same goes for psionics, and divine powers. Spirits are spirits, so that makes sense to. Pure biological entities could have the abilities hardwired into their DNA, and pass it down that way.
Plenty of ways that make sense.
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Post by Water Dumple on Jul 18, 2008 17:11:19 GMT -5
I think it does. And like I said, those who are revived, start at nothing, unless they had special contingency plans before their death, which makes sense to me. An uploaded copy certainly works to help backup a robot and his personality and unique traits. Extending that to unique robot powers isn't so hard. And with magic, well, it's magic. Same goes for psionics, and divine powers. Spirits are spirits, so that makes sense to. Pure biological entities could have the abilities hardwired into their DNA, and pass it down that way. Plenty of ways that make sense. "Nothing is permanent. Even death is merely a change, and as such, is something that can be reversed. " That's what you said. It's not a valid reason for why it should happen, because it's just trying to apply real life to this game. And, sure, you can have a contingency plan, but I've seen people get folks back many times with all of their abilities still on. That shouldn't happen, and is why it's annoying.
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Post by Merloo on Jul 18, 2008 17:19:26 GMT -5
How can you reverse death in real life? You can do it in games, but you can't literally bring people back from the dead here. The most you can do is commune.
And that isn't a valid reason to not let people come back from the dead. I made NOVA, a UWM. Does that mean that we shouldn't allow any UWM because I made a mistake? No, because I made the mistake, sort of, and it isn't an inherent flaw with the subject in question.
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Post by Water Dumple on Jul 18, 2008 17:26:22 GMT -5
Saying that nothing is permanent, and that death is merely a change doesn't really apply to this. And, yes, it is possible to bring people back from the dead in real life. People with heart failures can sometimes be brought back to life, or revived, via shocks. And I'm not trying to utterly stop people from coming back, but I feel that it should be limited. For one, you have to have a plan, and second, it can only work once. No coming back to life with a 50-day project and having the hero have all of his/her abilities with it.
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Post by rydon7 on Jul 18, 2008 17:28:21 GMT -5
Let's take a vote!
Democracy > Oligarchy(sp?), Dictatorship, and Monarchy
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Post by Water Dumple on Jul 18, 2008 17:32:12 GMT -5
Oh, please. Everyone knows that absolute fascism is the way to go.
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Post by yoshisoul on Jul 18, 2008 17:48:11 GMT -5
Should we move this to the arguement board? Though it really isn't a violent arguement, more like an exchange of different ideas on what to do. Which is kinda like an arguement...?
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Post by Water Dumple on Jul 18, 2008 17:48:50 GMT -5
Not big enough.
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