Merloo
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Post by Merloo on Sept 3, 2008 15:58:53 GMT -5
We shall see. All shall be shown, for I am Emperor Mateus Palamecia, ruler of Hell, Heaven, and Purgatory!
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Cannibal Joe
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Post by Cannibal Joe on Sept 3, 2008 16:01:00 GMT -5
Back on topic, yet again:
you say you want compromise, but when I offer one, you think it's rediculous. Listen, with the crystal star replicas, the reason has nothing to do with you (other than the fact that you're the one who makes them) other players will use them, and multiple sets of crystal stars will make ordinary troops virtually useless when other armies have a bunch of weapons that can be used to whipe them out, think, if you have crystal stars, you give duplicates to your allies and then you all attack someone, then you could easily kill a group of bandits (I'm not saying that you would, but if they get into circulation someone else might).
As for the other stuff,
You can get a higher limt than fawful had, (he only had up to 100 days) because they won't come with all the perks, but you do need a limit on them. As for the timer thing, it's the only thing that's up for debate, as it depends what the passive ability (breathing underwater would be limitless, protection from fire will only last 15 minutes while you are in the flames, increade Merlar's attack would only last 10 minutes)
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Merloo
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Post by Merloo on Sept 3, 2008 16:03:55 GMT -5
And other Artifacts, which are the same, just not copies of something else? Seems kind of weird to be upset over copies, which should be the point, not the nature of Artifacts.
Anyways, I came up with a reasonable agreement with Makuta, which I feel ends this subject, minus possible additional comments, unless vidguy is going to stab me.
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Post by vidguysteve on Sept 3, 2008 16:07:50 GMT -5
*preparing to stab* *pulls knife back behind back* And other Artifacts, which are the same, just not copies of something else? Seems kind of weird to be upset over copies, which should be the point, not the nature of Artifacts
Anyways, I've never seen two Artifacts with different names do the same thing (the Beanstar and Shadow Rod were considerably weaker than the Star Rod). And the point of Artifacts are to have unique weapons that can effect the battle in their own way, and also to be something of a trophy. When a set of Artifacts becomes the Consollation prize instead of the First Place medal, they lose their worth and allure.
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Merloo
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Post by Merloo on Sept 3, 2008 16:09:55 GMT -5
One of the Pearls PikminMunky had healed, like the Sapphire Star.
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Post by vidguysteve on Sept 3, 2008 16:11:00 GMT -5
But I think the specifics were different... Maybe, maybe not. But other than that one case, can you think of any others that were blatant copies?
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Post by Merloo on Sept 3, 2008 16:13:26 GMT -5
Rydon's Mineral Stars. And those were super blatantly obvious.
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Cannibal Joe
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Post by Cannibal Joe on Sept 3, 2008 16:13:33 GMT -5
well I'm actually not that objected to the passive abilities, you just weren't specific from the start, still a list of these passive abilities would be fine with me, assuming that they aren't rediculous, and I doubt they are. But with the replicas, I'm only tring to prevent a problem in the future, and it's not an unrealistic idea. And with the limit on what you are protected from is for your sake, because if you don't post one, more arguements will quite possibly come up, and I really don't feel like going through the hellish nightmare of argueing with you again (no offense), but I will not compromise the thing with the replicas or putting a limit on what you are protected from
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Post by Merloo on Sept 3, 2008 16:17:21 GMT -5
That's mainly because the Passive Abilities are supposed to be abilities that aren't that good, and vanish when the Active Ability of the Artifact is gone. Without being able to use the Active Ability, they just are infinite in terms of duration.
I also haven't designed them yet, as originally all they were going to be was a basic powerup that could be used with the Pure Hearts ability, or other abilities. Pure Hearts Passive is the only one I have done.
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Post by Cannibal Joe on Sept 3, 2008 16:22:20 GMT -5
Are you willing to agree with my other points? I'm just trying to have some foresight here, what if a new guy comes in and calls god-mod on you? placing a limit on it would ease worries that you are too powerful and prevent other annoyances on you, both sides end up happy. Alsowith the copies, I know that vidguy agrees with me
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Post by Merloo on Sept 3, 2008 16:24:57 GMT -5
Except that people's opinions can change. Which is why I don't give up.
And I could care less if someone new wants to argue. There problem, not mine.
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Post by vidguysteve on Sept 3, 2008 16:34:11 GMT -5
Except an argument with you quickly brings the forum into a whirlwind of chaos and anarchy...
And as for the Mineral Stars (nice memory, but the way), I think that they actually wound up being different that the Crystal Stars.
The only point I really want to make here is that I'm anti-Artifact set duplicating, and that's really about it.
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Post by Cannibal Joe on Sept 3, 2008 16:36:49 GMT -5
I will not compromise the thing with the replicas or putting a limit on what you are protected from dude, it's for everyone's sake, just deal with it,
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Post by Merloo on Sept 3, 2008 16:36:53 GMT -5
But you aren't against thematically identical but lore-wise different Artifacts.
And I have the original Mineral Stars somewhere, can't get it now, from school, obviously, but they were close enough. A minor change to prevent the claims.
I could care less about the copying thing, I just want to point out how silly it is to restrict copying when people can just make identical in all mechanical ways Artifacts.
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Post by Cannibal Joe on Sept 3, 2008 16:37:41 GMT -5
I will not compromise the thing with the replicas or putting a limit on what you are protected from dude, it's for everyone's sake, just deal with it, You will agree with this either way, I won't quit arguing until that happens, or until one of us dies
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