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Post by meowzer on Sept 2, 2008 16:18:30 GMT -5
I made this so we don't take up to much room in the other board.
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Post by Cannibal Joe on Sept 2, 2008 16:19:39 GMT -5
well this is where we let off 1. I don't consider all caps being extremely logical. It's the internet equivalent of shouting, for one. 2. What in particular is unfair 3. You can to attack me. 4. I understand that you are incensed for some reason. 5. Do you even know what the Stars do? 6. I shouldn't have to tone anything down when we have things like Lash's descriptions abounding, even though descriptions are just rough ideas, and never an accurate representation of power. Flaw in logic # 1 just because I shouted, doesn't mean I was wrong Flaw in logic #2 You assume that because I am making assumptions, you assume that I don't have a logical opinion on the subject, and thus am wrong Flaw in logic #3 you assume my anger makes me wrong, when in fact that my anger came after my opinion was stated Flaw in logic #4 You are comparing two entirely different things, a mech and a group of bandits do not have the same rules apply to them Logical enough for you?
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Post by Merloo on Sept 2, 2008 17:44:24 GMT -5
1. I never said you were wrong, I said you were yelling, and that yelling isn't very logical.
2. I never said you were wrong.
3. I never said your anger made me wrong.
4. A mech and bandit group should still be fair compared to each other. And none of the rules regarding their differences involve anti-hacking projects, so the same rules apply for both.
Also, see the other topic. I'm not done there.
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Post by Cannibal Joe on Sept 2, 2008 17:51:14 GMT -5
The big problem with just about everyone here is that they don't realize the fundamental reason why I say what I do. Aside from the fact that being an arrogant villain is in general more fun than being a modest hero, and arrogant heroes are not even half as fun, there is an added reason. Psychological reasons, to be precise. My words may seem like simple boasting, but they also seem to have an added effect of inspiring fear. I honestly don't want to fight anyone, and time and time again I have said that in a direct fight, I think most people here could win. Yet, by saying what I do, by my actions, I create fear, which is what causes these arguments. Fear causes one of two reactions, most of the time. Either it causes people to avoid, or destroy. I want the first, but the latter more often comes up. If I make people avoid wanting to fight me, then I have no need to worry anymore. And Cackletta I bring up again, for Artifact possession effects. So you just don't feel like playing anymore?
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Post by Merloo on Sept 2, 2008 17:58:16 GMT -5
Actually, quite the contrary. Just because I don't want to fight doesn't mean I don't want to play. You're seeing this game in quite a small and simple way, when really it's a lot more grand to me than just a simple war game.
And as I said before, the Artifacts are nowhere near as powerful as they originally are, as their active power is indeed disabled. But I think having a backup plan is perfectly acceptable. Cackletta and Tubba both have done what I have, and in fact I did the same thing earlier with the Starry Saviors. It's no different than giving my team a 25 Day one-shot power and not calling it an Artifact. You see the term Artifact and want to call god-mod, yet mechanically they are one and the same. The only difference being that the first one can't be disabled, while an Artifact can be.
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Post by Cannibal Joe on Sept 2, 2008 18:26:41 GMT -5
except for the fact that I called this God Mod, not based on whether it's an artifact or not, I just personally beleive that they are over powered, like I said, In order to defeat you, the artifacts must be disabled, absorbed, or some such nonsense, but you've made it so that even if I spent 200 days on an artifact nulifer, your people would still keep some of the magical abilities, and keeping it nearly impossible to beat you, it's a catch 22, and you need to cut it out. Also, if you don't want to get attacked, that's too bad, deal with it. It's part of the game. And lastly look at it from our perspective, if this was a war machine, would you think it was okay for an enemy to have, answer: no, that would be like if I EMPed a tank, it would still be able to fire. It is God Modding, ignore the fact of that some people hate artifacts, it is just too powerful, and I haven't heard an explanation for why they are unstealable. Either way I don't care about whether you have an explanation for it, or whether it's a war machine or an artifact, you've taken things too far Merloo and these things need to be toned down My final argument is: it's ultimatly not up to you, if the mods say that it needs to be toned down or gotten rid of, then you tone it down or get rid of it, according to what they tell you to do. It's nothing against you, I just want things fair, and what you have now, is not fair, like it or not that's the deal.
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Post by Merloo on Sept 2, 2008 18:42:06 GMT -5
1. Poor grammar also isn't logical, in case you wanted to make a similar claim you made with caps. If you want to attack my character, the least I can do is attack your grammar.
2. I'm going to treat apostrophe's as periods, as you have more of the first compared to the latter. As such, just because you called this God Mod doesn't make you right.
3. Except that you believe they must be disabled to make them beatable. I don't think I need to disable any part of Lash to beat her.
4. What do they do? Do you even know what they do, or do you just see numbers? Which is perfectly acceptable that I have more, as I have been around longer than Lash.
5. And if I spent 200 Days on trying to hack Lash, I'd just receive a reprimand, and no one would care. Many people have it set up so that they can keep powers even in times when they would be nullified normally. Should they be reprimanded as well?
6. It's not nonsense. A number of people do this sort of thing.
7. If you don't want to fight me, then that's too bad, as I'm being perfectly legal.
8. Actually, a number of people have made anti-EMP projects. You haven't been around long enough to realize that people try and protect their own projects before they attack others, as the latter is usually negated by the first. The X-Nauts have done this countless times, I believe, and Petey made anti-fire goop, for another.
9. Again, what I have done is what countless others have done. EMP Protection has been done by just about every single technological army or group in the game, and Artifact Absorbing has been done by Cackletta, Tubba, and the Star Spirits, at the very least. I'm not even doing flat-out negating of it, I'm just trying to make it so that all my projects aren't automatically shorted out by a project which isn't even 100 Days in length. If you want to be fair, then it should only short out 80 Days of Artifacts, not every single Artifact I own. That's overpowered, more so than my little extra passive abilities, which isn't anything that was complained about prior to your coming.
10. And negation is fair? Making it so that almost half my strength is gone is unfair? It makes any attempt at a theme completely destroyed, because if you have a focus, it's going to be gone. All I've done is make it so that over 1000 days worth of projects aren't gone, by one 80 day project. Does that honestly seem fair to you, even though the Artifacts in question aren't nearly as strong as they would be without it?
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Post by meowzer on Sept 2, 2008 18:52:35 GMT -5
Hasn't a mod told you to town them down several times?
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Post by Merloo on Sept 2, 2008 18:53:17 GMT -5
Tone I down? What do you mean?
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Post by meowzer on Sept 2, 2008 19:01:12 GMT -5
fixed
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Post by Merloo on Sept 2, 2008 19:04:35 GMT -5
And yet I haven't been told to tone anything down by a mod. All I have been told is that this has happened in the past. And if they want me to tone things down, then that self-same mod would have likely lost more battles than he won, or at least had things more difficult for him. Mods should not be exempt from the rules anymore than regular users, so if one can do it, then all can.
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Post by vidguysteve on Sept 2, 2008 19:12:06 GMT -5
Heh heh heh! Merloo, the new guys are kicking your ass!
But yeah, tone them down and update your log, or you'll have a problem.
SO IT IS WRITTEN, SO IT SHALL BE!
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Post by Cannibal Joe on Sept 2, 2008 19:15:47 GMT -5
1. Sorry about the grammar, my keyboard was messed up, and I was kinda rushed because my mom was calling me to dinner, but I just switched computers.
2. I never said that I was right, it's just my opinion that it's too powerful
3.well they don't have to be disabled, but it's the only way an army would have any realistic chance of doing any lasting damage
4.They do just about everything from powering up your shamans to destroying entire war machines
5."Everyone else is doing it" is hardly an excuse, and it's rather pathetic that you would continously put that up as an arguement
6. By nonsense I didn't actually mean that it was stupid.
7. That may be so, but it's also cowardly
8. This wouldn't be a problem if these were preventative measures, but what your doing is saying that they'll work despite what the enemy does, but even Fawful's anti EMPs had their limit.
9. Did they have anti theft on all their artifacts?
10. I've said it before, I want you to tone it down, but what I was saying is that it's not up to you, it's up to the mods, and if they say get rid of it, then that's what you do.
This is not just my opinion, if it were just me I would have given up by now, but I know that there are others who share my opinion.
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Post by Digiexpert on Sept 2, 2008 19:18:06 GMT -5
Sounds to me like we need...MOD COURT.
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Post by Merloo on Sept 2, 2008 19:22:28 GMT -5
1. That is no problem.
2. Then don't act like one opinion is absolute, like so many on this site are likely to do.
3. And what of Lash? The only way to do any real lasting damage is to destroy the machine. Does that mean she can't be allowed any protective projects.
4. All of them can't do everything.
5. Except that in the past it's allowed. It's fair for everyone but me? How is that logic?
6. You should explain more then.
7. To make it so that over 1000 days worth of projects aren't wasted?
8. Except that their plan works. I just have uses for my Artifacts beyond merely having them be stones of power.
9. RLDline certainly did, as it was part of him, and Cackletta made it impossible to get the heart, even with her death.
10. So then it is subject to the whim of the majority, with the minority being silenced. Sounds quite nice.
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