Merloo
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Post by Merloo on May 5, 2008 22:00:28 GMT -5
No, because they have to get through a barrier that was strong enough to stop a power that destroyed the planet. They also have to learn how to exist out of time, for Ultimecia has complete control of the timestream. Look, RM and BM can't stop Sarda, what are they going to do against 12 of him?
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Post by IDNAU on May 6, 2008 5:44:37 GMT -5
Corgi comes. ...HE'S WINNING.
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Post by vidguysteve on May 6, 2008 5:53:25 GMT -5
Aw damnit! Look at him go! HE'S UNSTOPPABLE! *is disintegrated* But tell me, Merloo; there's a rather... MASSIVE flaw in your logic pertaining to Mateus' strength. Mateus is all-powerful, blah blah blah. But then... how is it that he is defeated in the game he is featured in by a group of a few people with weapons? Surely someone that can conquer Heaven or Hell with only half of his effort can't be defeated by a group of adults with weapons, and yet... he is. If he's a summon, you beat him and he becomes your servant, and if he's a boss you just kill his ass. And, if in the occasion that he's not a boss (as even the Final Fantasy wikia has NOTHING on this particular incarnation), then we have no example of his power (other than a Kirby-Caramel Dansen of CUTENESS!). Stories and legends that may exist are rarely reliable; after all, after thousands of years, things seem to be lost in translation and get exaggerated, no? EDIT: And Merloo, if you want to ________ Roll something, there's nothing better than THIS!
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Post by layze on May 6, 2008 6:58:14 GMT -5
No, because they have to get through a barrier that was strong enough to stop a power that destroyed the planet. They also have to learn how to exist out of time, for Ultimecia has complete control of the timestream. Look, RM and BM can't stop Sarda, what are they going to do against 12 of him? but there's OVER NINE THOUSAND black mages, not just one. I'm sure the unholy fury of OVER NINE THOUSAND black mages could accomplish destruction on a universal scale.
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Merloo
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Post by Merloo on May 6, 2008 9:21:07 GMT -5
You mean FFXII, where it's only a reference to him, not actually him? Last time I checked, Mateus isn't a giant fish.
He's beaten once in his human form, but so he can die. In his true form, he only loses because, like Sephiroth, hubris. Underestimates the team, because he doesn't know they have certain powers. As such, they win.
And I already know about that, vidguy. Kirby is better for me.
Seeing as each one of them does that, not that much of an accomplishment. All the FF villains pretty much manage that. Or have the power to do that.
You also keep ignoring what they have to fight against. First, they have to somehow manage to defeat an immortal being, who, even if you beat him, won't die unless Sent. That alone means none of them can win, because none of them are FFX summoners. Yuna, on her account, has given up the role and title, so all possible ways to beat him are gone now. Promathia is a literal god, only truly beaten because the goddess of FFXI gets in his way. None of your guys are literal gods. Li-Grim is the incarnation of all humanities hopes, wishes, dreams, and beliefs. Unless you kill all of humanity, then you lose against her. In fact, you have to kill yourself in order to beat her permanently, so they still win, because some of them can't die. And no, her power isn't subjective to how many are left. If it was, she would be impossible to even harm. Kuja destroys all of existence. Who cares about Universal power, he took out all of existence. He also casually destroyed a planet when he first got his power. Sephiroth has crazy swordskills, and is capable of summoning a meteor that will wipe all of them out, and propel him to becoming a god. He also is capable of making a nearly impenetrable barrier. Kefka becomes the incarnation of magic, and succeeds in his goal pretty much. Exdeath has the void, which allows him to make a black hole he has complete control over. Zemus needed two meteors to kill him, a spell so powerful that only the most powerful of spellcasters can cast, and even then it took one of their lives. Even beating him doesn't help, for it brings forth Zeromus, and incarnation of hate everywhere, which can't be beaten by anything you have. Cloud of Darkness, incarnation of the darkness in man's hearts, no winning here. Mateus is ruler of Hell and Heaven. How can you hope to win? Even killing the non immortal villains is pointless, because he keeps them coming back. Let alone his powers when he isn't being prideful. Chaos, who is an immortal god existing outside the timestream, which means you can really win.
And while fighting all of them, Ultimecia freezes time, achieves TC, and becomes god of all existence minus the FF villains. They win.
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Post by IDNAU on May 6, 2008 14:12:13 GMT -5
And then corgi wins.
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Merloo
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Post by Merloo on May 6, 2008 14:26:49 GMT -5
Not really. He dies a horrible death as all of his past, present, and future all crash down around him into a single point, and at best he goes insane, completely driven mad by having multiple points of time.
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Mr.Makutawsome
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Post by Mr.Makutawsome on May 6, 2008 14:34:00 GMT -5
I win.
Because I said so.
And because I hacked the games so that they are so weak that die just by breathing on them.
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Post by bulbmin on May 6, 2008 14:59:33 GMT -5
That's right, that's right. Keep arguing abouyt who's strongest... Muhuhahaha...
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Post by tinfoilman on May 6, 2008 15:06:09 GMT -5
'.' Merloo is ignoring the fact every single member of his team can be killed by people with baid haircuts and bigass swords.
.'. idnau's Corgi destroys you.
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Post by IDNAU on May 6, 2008 15:33:39 GMT -5
Yayzorz! But that's not my corgi. I don't usually take pictures of my pets. Though that corgi still has uber powerz.
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Water Dumple
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Post by Water Dumple on May 6, 2008 15:43:51 GMT -5
Once again, layze continues to take purely joke-based things seriously and everybody follows. New event? Nope.
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Makajawan
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Post by Makajawan on May 6, 2008 16:49:37 GMT -5
Look, the Green Thunder wins. All of your arguments are well thought out and would win, but there's one fatal flaw... Oh, and, of course: THE GREEN THUNDER STRIKES LIKE LIGHTNING!
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Mr.Makutawsome
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Post by Mr.Makutawsome on May 6, 2008 17:19:25 GMT -5
I win. Because I said so. And because I hacked the games so that they are so weak that die just by breathing on them.
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Post by rydon7 on May 6, 2008 17:21:20 GMT -5
But.. But... The Falcon!
Fine. Ganondorf's punch is stronger n' wayz.
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