Water Dumple
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Post by Water Dumple on Jul 14, 2008 13:26:11 GMT -5
Sometimes change is needed. I'm not going to make the argument about intuitivity here, as I've made it a hundred times over, but companies need to step up and try something new.
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Post by layze on Jul 14, 2008 13:42:16 GMT -5
sonic team tried new things with sonic 2006.
I just mad your entire argument invalid.
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Post by Chaosblade on Jul 14, 2008 15:45:38 GMT -5
And megaman 9 is 8-bit because people wanted it to be the same as the old games (which is also why Slide and Charge shot are apparently buyable).
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Post by rydon7 on Jul 14, 2008 15:52:41 GMT -5
A diss would be a direct insult. Simply stating my opinion in a very calm way is definitely not directly insulting something. Saying something is bad is insulting it. >_________>
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Post by Water Dumple on Jul 14, 2008 15:57:26 GMT -5
sonic team tried new things with sonic 2006. I just mad your entire argument invalid. Yes, one game in which something new was tried and it didn't go well means that it shouldn't be done and changes are never needed. I don't care if a game tried new things and sucked, if it stepped out of its comfort zone and tried something new, it is worth commemorating. Pikmin tried something new; oh, wait, but because new things were tried in the Sonic series, that doesn't count. Or what about Metroid Prime? I think the subseries is amazing, and because Nintendo resolved to try something new and even put their franchise in the hands of another company, we have Metroid Prime. Three of them, actually. Also, as I expect you'll say it's sarcasm, I'll just copy/paste this from another thread...doesn't entirely fit the situation, but it'll make sense if you try to pull the "but it was sarcasm" line. I don't care whether people are joking or not, if they phrase something in a way that looks completely serious, I will slap their lack of sarcasm skills in the face and take it seriously. I mean, I'm not giving that to one person in particular, but I'm meeting more and more people (Primarily centered on GameFAQs) that really don't know how to make their jokes understandable--Or, at least, not to more than a few board regulars--And I'm fairly sick of it. I'd rather them go too far and it end up not being that humorous, rather than for them to make some obscure kind of jab that maybe only themself and one other person would get. Also, I've found more and more people that will seem to mean something seriously, but when somebody else exposes it as idiotic or anything of the sort, they'll bluff and say "it was a jok ur snense of humors brokn". Gets a little irritating, so now I'm usually just taking folks seriously if it's vague.
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Water Dumple
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Post by Water Dumple on Jul 14, 2008 16:00:06 GMT -5
A diss would be a direct insult. Simply stating my opinion in a very calm way is definitely not directly insulting something. Saying something is bad is insulting it. >_________> Thanks for the info. Unfortunately, it's out of context, because I didn't say it was bad. I said it didn't look that interesting, which only an idiot would consider to be me implying that it was anything other than my own opinion. And frankly, I'll raise my opinion over a fairly off-topic post (layze's first post in this thread) that was also probably trolling. Additionally, this is somewhat ironic, because layze directly dissed Spore yet you're speaking to me? layze's post: and as far as computer games go, screw spore, GIMME [_]DING STARCRAFT 2!My post: Starcraft 2 doesn't appear that interesting. Looks too much like the original.Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this simply because you are more excited about Starcraft 2 rather than Spore and are therefore defending layze and attacking me because it's the other way around with my opinion?
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Post by rydon7 on Jul 14, 2008 16:04:59 GMT -5
didn't look that interesting = not intersting = not looking so fun = bad
And an opinion can and always has been able to be a diss.
"You suck!"
Diss. Also and opinion.
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Post by Water Dumple on Jul 14, 2008 16:07:43 GMT -5
didn't look that interesting = not intersting = not looking so fun = bad And an opinion can and always has been able to be a diss. "You suck!" Diss. Also and opinion. "Not looking so fun=bad?" First, it took quite a stretch to even get there, and second, that's not at all my implication. Saying that something doesn't look that interesting to me is not saying that it couldn't be fun when I actually try something. You're really grasping at straws here. Also, see the edits on my last post.
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Post by Chaosblade on Jul 14, 2008 16:15:20 GMT -5
Yes, change is usually good and helps games, but why change something that works extremely well already? like megaman. 1-6 where good, then it was different for 7 and 8, and the fans wanted the other style back, so MM9 is coming out in 8-bit style. Sonic in 2-D was very good, it went to 3-D and Adventure was good, then it got worse because they changed it and didn't go back to the working style after many bad attempts. Now unleashed is coming out in 2-D gameplay (at least for parts of it), just like the old games, and its looking like its very good. Metroid tried something and it worked however, and made it like by a wider variety of people, which is good, but due to its lack of popularity in japan, it didn't have much to lose by changing the gameplay. Starcraft is already liked well and good game. Sure, I wouldn't mind a new group to use, but that dosen't mean that changing it would help that much, It might even hurt it,
And layze, Sonic 06 was supposed to be the closest thing to adventure 3 we would get.
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Post by rydon7 on Jul 14, 2008 16:19:19 GMT -5
Oh, no. Spore > Starcraft II, I just like arguing about stupid stuff, like the meaning of diss.
Anyway, not interesting usually means that the gameplay is bland, and therefor unfun. When I was refering to bad in that post, I was refering to an opinionated bad, not a general "This game has bad graphics etc." bad.
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Post by Water Dumple on Jul 14, 2008 16:23:34 GMT -5
Yes, change is usually good and helps games, but why change something that works extremely well already? like megaman. 1-6 where good, then it was different for 7 and 8, and the fans wanted the other style back, so MM9 is coming out in 8-bit style. Sonic in 2-D was very good, it went to 3-D and Adventure was good, then it got worse because they changed it and didn't go back to the working style after many bad attempts. Now unleashed is coming out in 2-D gameplay (at least for parts of it), just like the old games, and its looking like its very good. Metroid tried something and it worked however, and made it like by a wider variety of people, which is good, but due to its lack of popularity in japan, it didn't have much to lose by changing the gameplay. Starcraft is already liked well and good game. Sure, I wouldn't mind a new group to use, but that dosen't mean that changing it would help that much, It might even hurt it, And layze, Sonic 06 was supposed to be the closest thing to adventure 3 we would get. Because if you rehash the same formula over and over, you don't go anywhere. Perhaps Starcraft doesn't need that yet; but if they make a third, it will definitely need a change. One example for this would be Halo; it's a very good first-person shooter. However, in a way, that's all it is. It does what it does well, and it doesn't do anything else. The sequels for the most part introduce more weapons, vehicles, maps, better graphics, and maybe a few more things you can do. But there's really not a whole lot. But, hey, I'm not going to condemn it if I've never played it. It could be just like Pikmin 2; same general concept, but better controls, crisper graphics, longer gameplay, an annoying aspect removed, more features, and whatnot. If done correctly, it can be great. It's just if they take that too far that it becomes a problem. And after seeing a whole lot of Starcraft, it'd be nice if the second one was a good deal different. For example, in Advance Wars: Days of Ruin, the CO system was changed and a veterancy system was added. It creates notable change and makes the way you play the game different without changing the skeleton. That's what I'm hoping Starcraft 2 will do.
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Post by Water Dumple on Jul 14, 2008 16:27:08 GMT -5
Oh, no. Spore > Starcraft II, I just like arguing about stupid stuff, like the meaning of diss. Anyway, not interesting usually means that the gameplay is bland, and therefor unfun. When I was refering to bad in that post, I was refering to an opinionated bad, not a general "This game has bad graphics etc." bad. By not interesting, I meant that I'm not entirely interested in it. Perhaps I should have made that more clear.
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Post by Yoshimaster on Jul 14, 2008 20:18:58 GMT -5
Can we get back on topic? So would you guys wan't to be peacful and diplomatic, or agressive and war loving? Balance for me.
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Post by rydon7 on Jul 14, 2008 20:58:47 GMT -5
**** peace. WAR ALL TEH WAR BABY
Unless I'm going to be their god. THEN I SEND THEM TO WAR
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Post by layze on Jul 15, 2008 0:08:04 GMT -5
causing annoying debates that I don't bother to read is fun~
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