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Post by ShadowWindSea on Aug 8, 2008 16:21:27 GMT -5
...Pikmin Wars?
Woo! It works!
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Post by vidguysteve on Aug 8, 2008 22:14:38 GMT -5
vidguy probably did it because everyone is ignoring him in "a discussion we had in Pikmin w**s You're half-right, in that I did it. Not because of the discussion though, but because at least once every two months, I see a topic or an argument where Pikmin Wars pops up as a basis for comparison as to why this wars sucks. Seeing the founder of Pikmin W*rs base his forum off of this game and then frequently come here and say (in a nutshell) "In Pikmin W*rs this and that, and this wars is dieing, so we should do this and that like in Pikmin W*rs" gets pretty freakin' annoying. Childish? Indeed! Helpful? No! ... I don't really know where I was going with this... >_>
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Post by layze on Aug 8, 2008 22:30:16 GMT -5
I totally agree and from this point on will enforce your censor.
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Post by layze on Aug 8, 2008 22:32:06 GMT -5
except that it seems to no longer exist.
wth
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Post by vidguysteve on Aug 8, 2008 23:10:14 GMT -5
Eh, figure that WD would just make a big "holier than thou" thing out of it so I nipped it in the bud.
However, my feelings still stand on the topic.
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Water Dumple
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Post by Water Dumple on Aug 9, 2008 13:25:41 GMT -5
vidguy probably did it because everyone is ignoring him in "a discussion we had in Pikmin w**s You're half-right, in that I did it. Not because of the discussion though, but because at least once every two months, I see a topic or an argument where Pikmin Wars pops up as a basis for comparison as to why this wars sucks. Seeing the founder of Pikmin W*rs base his forum off of this game and then frequently come here and say (in a nutshell) "In Pikmin W*rs this and that, and this wars is dieing, so we should do this and that like in Pikmin W*rs" gets pretty freakin' annoying. Childish? Indeed! Helpful? No! ... I don't really know where I was going with this... >_> What an abysmal strawman. I've repeatedly said before that I'm not trying to imply that one game is better than the other. However, I can see that one game is generally doing better than another. I'm not saying that this version sucks, but it does seem to be dying off. So, why not look at a game with some similarities and try to find out why it's doing better? My intents are benevolent, not self-centered. Why would I try to get changes put in at all if I didn't care about the game? It certainly doesn't help me, personally, at all. However, your pride and refusal to view or accept other ideas completely stifles the attempts to bail the game out of its slump, and as a result, more members appear to be getting unhappy and it slowly slides farther off of the track. You're really giving me the impression that I was a foolish idiot to care. As for your "Holier than thou" remark, that's even more arrogant and a worse strawman than before.
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Post by vidguysteve on Aug 9, 2008 13:47:44 GMT -5
Water Dumple, I can see plain and clearly why my post made you upset, but don't put words in my mouth. I never said that you don't care about the game- I don't think anyone could say that of anyone else on this forum- and I never said you were self-centered.
Now this really irked me. I don't think myself too proud or stubborn to go with new ideas- I was among one of the people who wanted to try your 1/4th idea in this version. And I may be misinterpreting what you're saying - if so, please correct me - but it sounds like you're saying that I'm responsible for the game's dwindling condition and the dissatisfaction of the members. As I said, I may be misinterpreting, but this is just rediculous- you're turning me into a scapegoat for the game's problems! I try hard- I really do- to keep this place going. I always make a comment and an effort on subjects concerning new ideas for the game, I help out members on an individual level, I strive to be as fair as I can with my decisions and judgements, I try to keep things active and interesting by starting Wars, I do my best to be patient with members who may be acting unfavorably, and a slew of various other deeds. I don't do these because I think it's my sole duty, or to make myself look good- I do it because I love the game and the times and people I've had and met during it and I want to keep the fun going. It's been hard for me lately, with most of our more revered members and staff leaving or decreasing in activity, so I'm unable to keep things in order by myself. All of the Members always played a part in keeping things under control, however arguments and murmurs of the Wars ending have become more frequent and things are just getting a little hectic around here. Because of all of this, I'm bound to say or do somethings that I'm sure to regret later, however I care about this game no less, so please don't try to pin responsibility for the decline of the game on me.
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Post by Makajawan on Aug 9, 2008 14:02:48 GMT -5
Vidguysteve and I may disagree about many things with this game, especially now, but I've never doubted that vidguy's decisions are made with the interest of the game in mind.
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Water Dumple
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Post by Water Dumple on Aug 9, 2008 14:06:41 GMT -5
Water Dumple, I can see plain and clearly why my post made you upset, but don't put words in my mouth. I never said that you don't care about the game- I don't think anyone could say that of anyone else on this forum- and I never said you were self-centered.
You never said that, but I certainly got the implication of it by what you just said.
Now this really irked me. I don't think myself too proud or stubborn to go with new ideas- I was among one of the people who wanted to try your 1/4th idea in this version. And I may be misinterpreting what you're saying - if so, please correct me - but it sounds like you're saying that I'm responsible for the game's dwindling condition and the dissatisfaction of the members.
You're certainly not solely responsible for that; however, recently, all I see you doing is turning down new ideas and well-intentioned attempts to bail the game out, and usually it seems to be because the changes are rules that were first located in Pikmin Wars. At least, I usually see you complaining about how we keep referencing PW, and then abruptly refusing to look at our ideas afterwards. Not to make a Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc fallacy, but I would assume that you're refusing these ideas because of what you say right before your denials. To me, that seems prideful and sort of like you're refusing to look at ideas just because another game was referenced in their suggestion.
As I said, I may be misinterpreting, but this is just rediculous- you're turning me into a scapegoat for the game's problems! I try hard- I really do- to keep this place going. I always make a comment and an effort on subjects concerning new ideas for the game, I help out members on an individual level, I strive to be as fair as I can with my decisions and judgements, I try to keep things active and interesting by starting Wars, I do my best to be patient with members who may be acting unfavorably, and a slew of various other deeds.
Well, if I had put responsibility solely on your shoulders, it certainly would have been ridiculous. However, I'm just saying that I think one reason that it's falling is because (From what I've seen/in my opinion) you aren't tolerant enough of ideas that originate on other forums. I'm not making you a scapegoat, but I do think that you could be more tolerant. But, thank you for trying, anyhow.
I don't do these because I think it's my sole duty, or to make myself look good- I do it because I love the game and the times and people I've had and met during it and I want to keep the fun going. It's been hard for me lately, with most of our more revered members and staff leaving or decreasing in activity, so I'm unable to keep things in order by myself. All of the Members always played a part in keeping things under control, however arguments and murmurs of the Wars ending have become more frequent and things are just getting a little hectic around here. Because of all of this, I'm bound to say or do somethings that I'm sure to regret later, however I care about this game no less, so please don't try to pin responsibility for the decline of the game on me.
Well, that's understandable.
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Post by Merloo on Aug 9, 2008 14:25:20 GMT -5
I disagree with him, and you, and Maka, but I don't think any of you are doing anything wrong, I just think you're each trying to go about making these games better, in your own way. We just need to find the best each has to offer, and work out a way to work it all together, same goes for the wars.
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Post by axemred777 on Aug 9, 2008 14:29:36 GMT -5
... Too much arguing... Somebody tell me what going on!
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Makajawan
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Post by Makajawan on Aug 9, 2008 14:30:00 GMT -5
JOKE: No, there is absolutely no reason for that. All my ideas are infinitely superior to all others and therefore should be the ones used to govern the game.
EDIT: JOKE: We're talking about banning you because you refuse to sing the batman theme song.
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Post by Mr.Makutawsome on Aug 9, 2008 16:12:50 GMT -5
... Too much arguing... Somebody tell me what going on! What he said^
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