Makajawan
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Post by Makajawan on Jul 7, 2008 15:41:52 GMT -5
I meant for the Finale. Sorry I wasn't clear.
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Post by soulofhachi on Jul 7, 2008 15:50:07 GMT -5
I thought you would have read my troop section, since it would be easier to read then copy/pasting every troop, machine, and hero section into one PM. But then, I might've been able to avoid some confusion if I sent everything together.
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Post by bulbmin on Jul 7, 2008 15:51:37 GMT -5
Ah, I see your problem now, Water Dumple.
You're saying Heroes get too much of a mention in battes. Your problem isn't that Heroes are overpowered - it's that people are lazy.
Yes, that's what it essentially boils down to.
Look at it this way - most people have at least 10 different troop types in their armies. In a battle, eash type will likely have it's own plans and startegies you want want them to use. Some types may be further divided up into groups, each group doing a different thing.
In an ideal world, Heroes would get a big mention in a battle, but so would troops and war machines.
However, this is not the case - people wirting battles tend to pick one to be the main focus. And, let's face it - if you were writing a battle, would you pick to write mainly about 10 or more different troop types each with their own complicated strategies and own equipment and whatnot, or would you focus on the one, easy to write about Hero?
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Makajawan
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Post by Makajawan on Jul 7, 2008 16:04:06 GMT -5
Ah, I see your problem now, Water Dumple. You're saying Heroes get too much of a mention in battes. Your problem isn't that Heroes are overpowered - it's that people are lazy. Yes, that's what it essentially boils down to. Look at it this way - most people have at least 10 different troop types in their armies. In a battle, eash type will likely have it's own plans and startegies you want want them to use. Some types may be further divided up into groups, each group doing a different thing. In an ideal world, Heroes would get a big mention in a battle, but so would troops and war machines. However, this is not the case - people wirting battles tend to pick one to be the main focus. And, let's face it - if you were writing a battle, would you pick to write mainly about 10 or more different troop types each with their own complicated strategies and own equipment and whatnot, or would you focus on the one, easy to write about Hero? Exactly! And, hachi, you have a troop section? *checks archives*
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Post by soulofhachi on Jul 7, 2008 16:06:50 GMT -5
Oh, so that's the problem! I saved my hero section, (only because of layze's threats) but I forgot to do the same with my troops!
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Makajawan
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Post by Makajawan on Jul 7, 2008 16:11:54 GMT -5
Yeah, lots of people have been forgetting to post their troops so I know what they actually have. I suppose I should've archived myself, or at least told them to archive, or something, but I didn't. It's been a problem for most of the battle. It's actually the reason I started with tin and chaos- both of them had their troops posted, as well as copied into the plans.
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Post by rydon7 on Jul 7, 2008 16:23:10 GMT -5
Hey, Dumple, I'm doing the same thing. Only a few upgrades for Koopley, and plenty of upgrades for the LAKST.
Also, Maka, I didn't save my troop section because I figured the little sentence I put by them in the log should have been suffice.
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Makajawan
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Post by Makajawan on Jul 7, 2008 16:25:04 GMT -5
Yes. You at least saved a log. There are people who saved nothing, hachi just sticks out in my mind.
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Water Dumple
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Post by Water Dumple on Jul 7, 2008 17:22:00 GMT -5
Okay, you're all right, the real problem isn't about heroes being overpowered, it's mostly about how competent troops are. I actually though about doing a 200-day project in SMKW, "Prime Tactics Training," just to make troops more intelligent and do better in battles. Hopefully I won't need to now, though. And I don't think heroes need an actual value tone-down, I just think that, well, maybe they shouldn't destroy everything besides other heroes so easily. Or, at least if they will kill some troops, maybe a slight description of how the troops did something before they went? The way it is now, it just feels like they go down so easily before they have a chance to do anything besides run around like chickens with their heads cut off. But, fortunately, it seems that you guys see the point I'm trying to make, so hopefully this'll come out in battles now.
Also, I think there's just been a natural tendency for players to put most of their plans into heroes rather than troops. So when a few of the older battles were written that showed the heroes slaughtering troops and not as much emphasis on troops, folks will now do the same thing in their battle plans, and now that mods tend to write more balanced battles they just write what's in the plans. So, I suppose this topic was also sort of a recommendation to all the players to not envision all of their troops as being so worthless, unless they make them that way.
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Post by layze on Jul 9, 2008 15:40:09 GMT -5
I agree with bulbmin's post. that's right, I read two posts into this topic. howeer, the word epic is starting to get annoying. what goes on around here usually isn't epic. what's epic is ents smashing a dam, thus flooding out thousands of orcs, and then proceeding to punch the **** out of orthanc until saruman's pants are soaked with his own piss.
tell me one thing that's ever happened in these wars that's anything CLOSE to that epic.
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Post by rydon7 on Jul 9, 2008 16:44:02 GMT -5
Nothing. I gave a speech or such about it in the Lounge a while ago.
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Post by Merloo on Jul 9, 2008 17:02:27 GMT -5
So troops need more spotlight time, that's all. Well, glad that problem was solved.
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Water Dumple
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Post by Water Dumple on Jul 9, 2008 17:26:15 GMT -5
I agree with bulbmin's post. that's right, I read two posts into this topic. howeer, the word epic is starting to get annoying. what goes on around here usually isn't epic. what's epic is ents smashing a dam, thus flooding out thousands of orcs, and then proceeding to punch the **** out of orthanc until saruman's pants are soaked with his own piss. tell me one thing that's ever happened in these wars that's anything CLOSE to that epic. Yes, well, you'd understand the current issue a little more if you read to the end/at least a few of the last posts to know what we're talking about now. For the most part, it's just asking mods not to write every battle with troops being absolute Stormrtoopers/idiots, and asking members not to view troops that way because it's turning into Super Mushroom Kingdom Hero Battles. Or...The Hero Battles for the other game. Either way, it's resolved and, surprisingly, folks understood what I was talking about.
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